Showing posts with label Math. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Math. Show all posts

Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Math programs


Recently I was asked about math programs.  Because I think this is the area where so many programs exist and is so confusing to navigate, I thought I would share our whole math path here.

So here goes on my map of our stumbling through the years.

1)  Mortensen Math.  We started here based on my sister's family's success with this program.  She gave me the "basic" manipulative set and I bought the workbooks, teacher's manual, and fractions manipulatives.  Unfortunately I really had no idea how fast to expect the boys to "get" it.  The training they offered would have been invaluable but that was financially out of the question at the time.  I bought every video and other tools they had, and the kids LOVED them!  They really helped.  Their order taker on the phone was very helpful and knowledgeable too.  I really wished they had produced more videos to step me through their program.  Also in later years, I had an incredibly difficult time ordering products.  Steve Demme later developed and marketed Math-U-See based on Mortensen Math.  (He doesn't ever say that and MM is very careful not to say he stole their program.  However, they verified that he began his career as a Mortensen Math instructor.  His manipulatives use the same colors as MM's rather than Saxon Math's which is odd considering how many people using Saxon often want to switch without buying new manipulatives. At the time, MM had workbooks through Algebra. (I just looked at their website and it has TOTALLY changed so they may have changed a lot of things in the past 8 years!)

2) Singapore Math.  Based on reviews, I next tried Singapore Math.  They especially excel at story problems. This program was more successful for us especially at the beginning although I grew frustrated with it because of my prior exposure to Mortensen Math.  I also became frustrated with the lack of sufficient practice for the boys to fully grasp the concepts.  They offer additional workbooks, but purchasing those quickly adds to the cost, thus diminishing the attractiveness of the program.  If I felt like I had the $$ to spend, I would have bought a more expensive program in the first place.  I do think the beginning levels are excellent though, and I have since heard quite a lot of other homeschooling moms say the same thing. I know of no one that stuck with the program all the way through however.

3) Various and sundry workbooks.  Most of these were geared toward helping the kids learn their addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division which don't really require a full-fledged program if you understand math.  Not a long-term solution however.

4) Teaching Textbooks.  We used the Grade 5.  The only problem is that this program is not intuitive enough. If the student misses a question, he misses it.  There is no going back, no additional problems, etc.  Kahn Academy was the ONLY computer program that fully addressed this lack.  Because it didn't repeat at all, once they started missing very many problems in one section, their later scores underscored the lack. I didn't use it again.  The BEST part of the program was the immediate accolades it gives the student when they answer the question correctly.  That feature totally rocked, but I understand that gets dropped from Algebra on.  Otherwise I would rate this product the lowest of everything I tried, especially when you look at the price of it and how badly it flopped for us. In fairness, I have met others who loved it, but it failed us.

5) From there, we fished and just continued to work on basics on our own.  After being unsuccessful with so many purchases, I basically gave up canned programs and concentrated on other areas.

6) Jones Geniuses Accelerated.  I stumbled into Dr. Jones' math program at a homeschool convention and almost bought it.  I sometimes wish I had but #7 entered the picture again.  For those who deal with any form of dyslexia, they also offer an incredible reading program. Even without dyslexia, that would be an excellent choice.  However, dollars and time constraints ruled when I found an affordable way to purchase Math-U-See.

Because my daughter was going to enter public school 5th grade the next fall, I was incredibly anxious to make sure she was at grade level in math.  Her spelling was atrocious, but I figured that would come with time and reading but the math could seriously set her back.  Since I was not assured we could cover the required amount of material in 3 months that we needed, I forged ahead into Math-U-See because I could fully control the speed of learning.  My daughter arrived a little past her grade level 2 weeks after school started that fall.  I consider that to be my greatest achievement in homeschooling!  (By the way, her spelling did indeed improve with time just as Steven's did.  Both of them were greatly helped as they read more. James always had good spelling because that's how he learned to read.)

7) Math-U-See.  What a boon.  I have always associated with parents who used this program, but when I first heard about it, you had to put out a LOT of $$ to purchase the first module.  They have made it seemingly more affordable with the DVD program but it's actually more expensive in the long run.  Each book used to cover about 2-3 years while each DVD covers 1. This program basically rounds out Mortensen Math with videos and better workbooks.  Elementary through pre-algebra was covered in 3 books in the VHS version. I purchased the Foundations, Intermediate, and Advanced modules complete with teacher's and student's manuals and VHS instruction for about $50 on eBay.  Correction:  I couldn't buy the Intermediate Student Manual for sale but found it at the local homeschool lending library. This program looks, smells, and feels like Mortensen Math but is accompanied by video for each lesson.  Since I had older learners, they watched it with me and then we would work some problems together and I would explain concepts covered in the teacher's manual but not video before they began their assignments.

We raced through the Foundations book in about 2 months because it was almost all review until the last fourth but even then remained simple to comprehend.  Then we began the Intermediate book.  James began that about 2 weeks before his brother and sister and pretty much understood it on his own.  We only needed to get about a third of the way through to get my daughter up to where she needed to be in school and we almost made it.  We got far enough though.  She excelled in math at school the next year partly, I believe, because of the base she achieved in this program. Fractions was the only part we didn't reach in time, and that was the only part she struggled with at school.  For the record, none of my kids like fractions. Neither does their dad and he's very competent in math.  I'm the lone wolf in our family that never had any problems with fractions.  Their pattern still seems amazingly obvious to me.  Perhaps I didn't teach it as well because I thought it was so simple.  Math-U-See also contains many word problems.

James and Steven continued with Math-U-See through the next year, completing Intermediate and beginning Advanced.   Advanced takes them all the way through Pre-Algebra.  Then they would have been ready for the Algebra DVD program.  However, other maturation changes began to manifest that finally rendered Math-U-See not as useful, namely their desire to work independently of me.  They also were fatigued with Math-U-See because we had been working it so intensively.  About that time, I explored another option I had heard about from many sources:  Khan Academy.

8) Kahn Academy.  Beautiful stuff especially for kids who want to be independent from Mom or for Moms who feel inadequate to teach the upper maths.  Or Moms who need a break from teaching everything else and want to hand off something to another.  Each module has a video explaining the concept by the instructor and then they complete the exercises.  They can skip the videos (not recommended!) but must begin at the beginning.  Once begun, they can skip sections. (Unfortunately because I've found my kids follow one thread too far and skip other threads, thus hindering their undertanding. Thus it's important you follow their progress online.) It's worth the review though.  James took to this like a duck to water and Steven eventually began voluntarily using it.  My daughter has never used it.  Students have to begin at the beginning--it doesn't let you skip--but it's good review and can be covered in a week or less depending on your student's motivation. There is a You-Tube video followed by completely interactive exercises.  You have to get 10 problems right in a row before it will allow you to advance.  You can always go back and do more as desired. This is the only program in my experience that does this.  I found that I had to enforce them watching the videos--they're very good--and often I would sit down to review the video with them a second time.  Usually the second time through was enough for them to get even the hardest concepts for them, and I would only have to give minimal emphasis to various steps. Khan goes through Calculus and it covers Developmental Math, Econ (I think), and Banking as well.  It also has branched into other disciplines now.  The best part is that if you don't like it, you aren't out any money because it is free.  It runs off donations from various unnamed benefactors.

My conclusions:  That has been our math path.  Convoluted, I know.  If I could do it all again, I would have spent the $400-450 to buy Math-U-See in the first place.  (It is now between $75-100 per year on DVD.)  It would have been worth it.  Math-U-See goes up to Trigonometry (I think--the Catalog isn't coming up right now) and Khan goes through Calculus, including Developmental Math.  It's strongest point is that it won't allow the student to complete each module until they master it, i.e., pass 10 in a row correctly.  Khan covers other subjects as well such as a little American History, Biology, Banking, etc., etc., etc. It is also free.  Both Math-U-See and Singapore Math offer placement exams geared to their programs.  Use them before you guess at what level to place your student! Neither program follows public school programming so you need to use their diagnostic tools.


Wednesday, July 7, 2010

Reporting

Just looked over my last blog post and realized I haven't progressed at all on most of those goals except one.

MATH!

We're going fast and furious on it, and the kids are progressing well. That's about all I have to report. Most importantly, we still like the Math-u-see program. We're doing about a unit a day---given that he recommends taking a week or more on each, we're doing well. It's not a 15-minute a day item though. Normally I wouldn't suggest doing it this way but we have a really tight timetable and the kids are getting it.

Scout merit badge: Citizenship in the Community: Only 2 things to complete. Yes!

American Government: I don't like the text so this is not going to be easy.

Ancient Greece: Might be put on a longer hold. I really want to do U.S. History. It has been a few years since we covered that, and then it was mostly colonial and Revolutionary War with a little Constitution as well as Civil War. The boys learned about World War I and II last year, but there is a bit in between.

Sunday, June 13, 2010

What happened?!

I'm going to stop blogging about what we're doing because it seems to curse us for a course change!

Seriously, we are going to be doing Ancient Greece, but life has been getting in the way. It may have to wait until August or September.

One item down: belt rank test. My sons have taken their black belt test and now await their results, given next Saturday at Nationals. My daughter has taken her blue belt test and likewise awaits her results.

Second item for the summer: Eagle. One last stinking merit badge and 2 projects (1 per boy).

Third item: Map out the American Government class I'm teaching at co-op next year. Moving has never looked so good!

Overriding goal: Math. Math. And more math. Yeppers. That one's happening and has not been derailed. Math-u-see. Got it at e-Bay--all the way to Trig via the older VHS curriculum. We have VHS capability and I'm all about getting it cheap! It is going well even with the other interruptions.

Friday, July 17, 2009

Some math games

Here's a link for some fun games you can use to reinforce math concepts. Or cut and paste this: http://ldsnha1.securesites.net/freedomweb/index.php?src=gendocs&ref=A%20Deck%20of%20Cards

Thursday, March 26, 2009

It happened, it happened!

It finally happened. J-Dawg begged to do more math. You have absolutely no idea of what a major milestone that was!

The problem? He has 3 merit badges to finish up and a paper on the history of taekwondo due to his TKD master tomorrow so he can test for his blue belt. The merit badges have a few more weeks.

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

I'm back, I think

Hello again, I think. I read another blog yesterday where the author wrote that the purpose behind her blog was to show life with spectacularly normal children. Then I received an email from a mom who was feeling horribly behind the game.

I got to thinking....the problem for many of us is that none of us (or very few) really feel like we're doing enough most of the time. We homeschoolers hear stories of these human dynamos who have their acts totally together and their children receive the Presidential scholarship to several Ivy League universities no later than age 14.

Non-homeschoolers? Their daughters are competing for the next gymnastics Olympic team by age 10; they never complain about homework, zipping through it and acing their exams with aplomb; and their sons are on the Honor Roll, the district's winning Academic team, and working on their Eagles by age 12.

Yup, you got it. I flunked all of those tests. I got what I prayed for. Normal children.

School got derailed once again by an emergency trip to Idaho to see my husband's grandfather, and I am personally not dealing with the thought of him passing to the next life very well even though I am only an in-law---he's my (I claim him) last grandfather alive on earth at this time---I lost one at age 6 1/2, one at 18, and I'm not ready to let the last one go. Then there's the stress of having to pay for that trip---I am grateful for creditors who believed in us enough to help us go. I am also grateful we will be paying them off soon!

Yesterday we did a bunch of President's Day worksheets from Enchanted Learning. Okay, so I went a little overboard and we did about 5 hours worth of them! We covered every subject with them!!!

Additionally, I'd like to find about $130 by March to buy a Math program from Teaching Textbooks. My sister turned me onto them, and they are great. Go try it for yourselves! Why do I love it so much? Because I am beginning to hate math!!! If I have to go through it all even one more time, I might scream.................................................. Amazingly, my kids really like it too. They like anything that puts them on the computer. Now, if I could find a really good, fun writing program on the computer, I'd know I had died and gone to heaven.

Something I have learned recently? All the waiting I have done, allowing the kids to set their own pace for the most part, is paying off. My boys are finally ready. Those 10 pounds of Presidents Day-themed worksheets yesterday? They would not have done so many even 3 months ago. It's clicking. I learned that with reading, but I was starting to shove every subject down their throats anyway because "everyone else was doing it", and my kids were "falling behind" whatever that means! They were beginning to hate school just like everyone else too.

Of course, I still want that math program without the help of our wonderful creditors!

P.S. I knocked off my blog links, not because I didn't like them, but because they weren't working when I clicked on them.

Wednesday, April 4, 2007

Late start

We got a late start today; late night last night!

Music
Math
Reading: Read scriptures pertaining to Palm Sunday.
Language arts
Learned the meaning of Hosanna! and palm leaves; discussed scriptures for comprehension. Alphabetized geographic terms. Also made up original story.
Geography: Vocabulary worksheet, crossword puzzle. Took test. Dragon missed 1, scoring 90%. Monkey earned 100%.
Art: Draw pictures, make frames. (Points toward Art and Craftsman.)
Math: Singapore math,
Social Studies: Find lack of security or hazards in our home.
History: Ancient Africa: Read stories

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

Drawing house plans

Math: Measuring the house's outside diameter, drawing up blueprints, and now adding the interior measurements.
Reading circle: Book of Mormon, Mosiah 11
Geography: Defined and found several peninsulas in the world, such as Italy, Greece, part of Turkey, etc.
Music
P.E.